I guess that makes me less worried that I just got my 3200+ Venice core in the mail. I hope I'm not going to miss out on anything in the new E4 batch. =[
All Athlon64s are in HARD allocation. There's a decent amount of X2's in the channel, but the regular Athlon 64s below 3800+ are very hard to get, the market will be drying up pretty soon, we are backordered in the thousands on most Athlon64 PIBs.
AMD announced to us (AMD Disty) months ago that the 3000+ were EOL, that they would only be shipping them to developing countries (huh?), and many AMD resellers got VERY angry @ AMD, got some small shipments, I see some on order, but whether or not we see any arrive.. I doubt.
And AMD is courting Dell? Where are they going to get the fab capacity? They can't keep up now! (Unless the shortage are due to Dell allocating the processors? Hmmmm...)
You may have something there. First the sudden dry up of OEM chips, now the low end supply is drying up, hmm...either they're pushing for dual core REALLY hard, or they're stockpiling for something...FAB 36 is coming on line soon, so theoritically, they'd have enough production to give Dell some kind of large ammount of procs...
E4 stepping eh. So these are exactly the same as manchesters, 'cept no core? Be very good OC'ers then...
I thought a long time ago it was known that after the E3 stepping the E6 stepping was used for venices (BW code) (E4 being San Diego I think or Manchester..?) So I don't know how E4 fits in here - was this a typo?
Does anyone know what the difference is in the e4 stepping and is this better or worse for the 3200+ etc...? Should I buy the old ones now while they still exist or is there some advantage to spending a few extra bucks for the e4??
anyone know? or can you post a link that explains the e4 vs e3 stepping...
First they pull the plug on OEM CPUs with some BS about them not being cheaper or as reliable or something, and now they're doing the same thing with one of the best overclocking chips.
At least they gave us the s939 opteron, which I guess will be the new overclockers chip.
Actually AMD already does make aSocket 939 Semprons for HP, they're OEM only and aren't listed in any product literature. They're used in the HP Pavillions that have the ATI Radeon Express chipsets. Basically they use the same motherboard for Sempron, Athlon64, and Athlon64 X2 systems.
Bah, the 3200+ chips overclock just as well, and looks like the prices on these aren't too much more than the old 3000+'s when they came out...I would say the new 3200+ is just as viable an overclocking option, especially once they drop down a little more in price. Also, I'm sure if you are still really in the market for a 3000+, you can still get one, just get em while you can.
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DanDaMan315 - Saturday, December 3, 2005 - link
They all max clocked to the same place anyways, it's a shame that the cheapest chip is EOL.yacoub - Thursday, December 1, 2005 - link
I guess that makes me less worried that I just got my 3200+ Venice core in the mail. I hope I'm not going to miss out on anything in the new E4 batch. =[SuperSix - Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - link
All Athlon64s are in HARD allocation. There's a decent amount of X2's in the channel, but the regular Athlon 64s below 3800+ are very hard to get, the market will be drying up pretty soon, we are backordered in the thousands on most Athlon64 PIBs.AMD announced to us (AMD Disty) months ago that the 3000+ were EOL, that they would only be shipping them to developing countries (huh?), and many AMD resellers got VERY angry @ AMD, got some small shipments, I see some on order, but whether or not we see any arrive.. I doubt.
And AMD is courting Dell? Where are they going to get the fab capacity? They can't keep up now! (Unless the shortage are due to Dell allocating the processors? Hmmmm...)
Leper Messiah - Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - link
You may have something there. First the sudden dry up of OEM chips, now the low end supply is drying up, hmm...either they're pushing for dual core REALLY hard, or they're stockpiling for something...FAB 36 is coming on line soon, so theoritically, they'd have enough production to give Dell some kind of large ammount of procs...E4 stepping eh. So these are exactly the same as manchesters, 'cept no core? Be very good OC'ers then...
8NP4iN - Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - link
Im confusedsemo - Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - link
welcome to the club. help yourself to some biscuits and liquor at the barA554SS1N - Monday, November 28, 2005 - link
I thought a long time ago it was known that after the E3 stepping the E6 stepping was used for venices (BW code) (E4 being San Diego I think or Manchester..?) So I don't know how E4 fits in here - was this a typo?ozzimark - Friday, December 2, 2005 - link
perhaps he meant to say manchester based core? :)MarkHark - Monday, November 28, 2005 - link
... Plus, I know what San Diego is, but WTF are Venus and Troy?MarkHark - Monday, November 28, 2005 - link
Also, is there any difference at all between Athlons and s939 Opterons?bob661 - Monday, November 28, 2005 - link
Opteron cores.AnnihilatorX - Thursday, December 1, 2005 - link
Venice is NOT Opteron. It was a succesor to the NewCastle. The Athlon64 3000+, 3200+ you can purchase now are all VenicesThey are 90nm parts with built in DDR controller and SSE3 support
the1jez - Sunday, November 27, 2005 - link
Does anyone know what the difference is in the e4 stepping and is this better or worse for the 3200+ etc...? Should I buy the old ones now while they still exist or is there some advantage to spending a few extra bucks for the e4??anyone know? or can you post a link that explains the e4 vs e3 stepping...
BigLan - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
First they pull the plug on OEM CPUs with some BS about them not being cheaper or as reliable or something, and now they're doing the same thing with one of the best overclocking chips.At least they gave us the s939 opteron, which I guess will be the new overclockers chip.
Pete84 - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
AMD may be making room for a Sempron series in the 939 format, and EOL'ing the 3000+ would give them the room to do so.pukemon - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
Actually AMD already does make aSocket 939 Semprons for HP, they're OEM only and aren't listed in any product literature. They're used in the HP Pavillions that have the ATI Radeon Express chipsets. Basically they use the same motherboard for Sempron, Athlon64, and Athlon64 X2 systems.phanna - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
Bah, the 3200+ chips overclock just as well, and looks like the prices on these aren't too much more than the old 3000+'s when they came out...I would say the new 3200+ is just as viable an overclocking option, especially once they drop down a little more in price. Also, I'm sure if you are still really in the market for a 3000+, you can still get one, just get em while you can.ShadowVlican - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
i wonder how these will OCPete84 - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
So what has been changed for the E4 stepping?semo - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
will there be a 64 3000+ at all now?and what's different with this new stepping. does it run cooler, faster or just some bug fixes?
Zoomer - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
No, the 3000+ has EOL. That means no more, ever.phanna - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
Ooh, so does that make my 3000+ Venice some kind of rarity? I'll sell it for 200 bucks. Anyone want to buy it? ;)Nocturnal - Saturday, November 26, 2005 - link
Thanks Kris for the PM and good info.